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Wednesday, March 26, 2014

Was the first shot of the upcoming Ukrainian civil war just fired?

There are pretty good signs that the shots which killed Aleksandr Muzychko might turn out to be the first ones of the upcoming civil war.

So far, what happened was not a civil war, but a armed insurrection followed by a coup, a revolution for sure, but not a civil war.  What is beginning to take place now is very different.  Consider this:

1)  There are now four very different forces in the Ukraine:
  • the US/EU run oligarchs (Timoshenko, Iatseniuk, etc)
  • the US funded but probably not really controlled neo-Nazi crazies (Tiagnibok and Right Sector
  • the local mobsters pretending to be revolutionaries
  • the Russian speakers
This makes for a very dangerous and volatile combination

2) There are numerous reports of assaults, lynchings, pogroms, murders, intimidations and robberies all over the Ukraine.  Some are committed by the neo-Nazis, some by mobsters pretending to act in the name of the revolution.  The population is very fearful not only for its future, but even for its present.

3) The state, or what remains of it, is clearly controlled by the oligarchs, but there is very little it can do since the only instrument of power which it controls is the SBU, the Ukrainian state security, which is phenomenally corrupt, whose best cadre have left a long time ago and which is basically taking orders from the CIA.  There are also some police forces (special SWAT teams, cops from the western Ukraine), but they are few in numbers.  They can kidnap this or that Russian-speaker or kill some individual (like Muzychko), but they cannot fight the neo-Nazis or mobsters.

4) The Ukrainian military basically exists only on paper.  Most officers are either resigning or trying to join the Russian military.  Many of its weapons depots have been looted, and morale is at rock bottom.  Potentially, the Ukrainian officer corps could be used to crack down on the neo-Nazis and mobsters, but only if they could be convinced that sane people are back in command.

5) The economy - which was already close to death - is degrading at phenomenal speed and absolutely nobody has any plan to resurrect it.

6) The state's policy current is clear: to crack down on the neo-Nazis with brute force and to discredit the Freedom Party politically.  This policy has a very small chance of being successful.  Think of the Right Sector and the Freedom Party as the "Ukrainian Taliban" and you will immediately see why the state simply does not have the means to crush them.

7) The other key tactic of the state is a major cover-up of the true state of affairs.  This is the real reason why all the Russian TV channels have been basically banned in the Ukraine: Russian TV channels are more than happy to report about all the economic problems, security situation, tensions, etc which the state is desperately trying to cover up.  And since the western corporate media is as loyal to the USA as the Ukrainian one is to the regime - the revolutionary regime hopes that by cutting off the info from Russia it will be able to hide the real situation from the general public.

8) The upcoming (in May) presidential elections are going to head for disaster in one way or another: there is simply no way, no way at all, that the current regime would - or even could - organize even minimally decent elections.   They cannot let Milkail Dobkin run or, if they do, they would have to dramatically "correct" the number of votes he will get.  They probably cannot let Iarosh run either.  Dobkin, being under house arrest, could not run a normal campaign either way, as for Iarosh, he might be the next to be assassinated by the SBU/cops.  No matter what the modalities or he outcome, the next presidential elections will be a farce which most people will simply not accept.  The resulting "President" and government will have zero legitimacy.

9) The revolutionary regime is also completely out of touch with reality.  Instead of seriously dealing with the immense problems facing the Ukraine, they are busying themselves with nonsense like issuing a search warrant for the (very cute) new Chief Prosecutor of Crimea Natalia Poklonskaia.

10) Last, but not least, there is already overwhelming evidence that the revolutionary regime is lying about the circumstances of the death of Aleksandr Muzychko who appears to have been executed by a special SWAT unit.  The order to kill him apparently was given or, at least, approved, by the CIA station in Kiev who, according to many reports, is basically running the revolutionary government from the 4th floor of a building in central Kiev.

Now, I fully understand the reasons for the order to execute Muzychko: it gets rid of a armed and protected psychopathic murderer whose antics have been embarrassing the new revolutionary regime.  It also triggers a crisis between the pro-US oligarchs and the neo-Nazis which would allow the former to try to get rid of the latter in the name of "democracy" and "anti-Fascism", hence something which would not only be applauded with both hands in the West, but also give the oligarchs some anti-Nazi credentials and thus help to erase from the collective memory of the TV-zombified morons the fact that this regime only came to power thanks to the violence meted out by these neo-Nazis.

It is in many ways uncanny how much the situation today resembles the absolute chaos which took place in the Ukraine in 1918-1920 when many different factions fought each other, several foreign countries intervened in one way or another, total chaos and anarchy reigned over much of the country while politicians made ridiculous promises (for those who know little about this period, just read the Wikipedia entry under "Nestor Makhno").  Eventually, the situation was "solved", if one can use that word in this context, by the invasion of the Ukraine by the Red Army, a catastrophic war against Poland, Bolshevik terror and WWII.  In other words, 2 years of total chaos turned into 25 years of horror and immense suffering for the Ukrainian people.  That precedent is, indeed, very, very scary.

The good news is, of course, that there is no Red Army today.  The bad news is that the Russian military does no want to intervene in the Ukraine.  At the very best, the Kremlin might be forced to move the Russian military into eastern and, possibly, southern Ukraine to protect Russian-speakers from the violence resulting from a breakup of the Ukraine, but that would be an option of last resort as the Kremlin fully understands that the imbeciles in charge of the major powers in the West could do something truly stupid in reaction to such a Russian move.  Thus, from the Russian point of view the best solution is by far, and I have said that many times here, to have a more or less stable, more or less prosperous, more or less "not anti-Russian" and independent Ukraine as a good neighbor.

When Putin told the Russian Federal Assembly and the rest of the world in his historical speech that Russia did not want to occupy or annex the Ukraine, he was not lying to cover up an imminent invasion, or trying to appease the West or showing how generous and good the Russians are - he was stating a basic reality of Russian pragmatic self-interest: Russia neither needs nor wants the Ukraine, especially now that it got Crimea back.  What Russia does not want is a neo-Nazi Ukraine with NATO bases.

So if the Empire's leaders had any common sense at all, they would understand the basic truth that this is not a zero-sum game and that Russia's interests are quite compatible to the West's as long as the West gives up its crazy idea of setting a neo-Nazi regime in Kiev surrounded by NATO bases.  That crazy shit Russia simply will not accept.  But an independent Ukraine?!  Of course - please, they will even help pay for it as long as it avoids a much more dangerous outcome resulting in a civil war.

Alas, all the signs are that Obama and his EU minions are just not going to accept anything short of a total victory - thereby securing their own total defeat, but at the cost of a complete destruction of rump-Ukraine and a horrible predicament for the people of the Ukraine.  Just look at what these politicians did with Iraq or Libya!  The AngloZionist logic is simple: what I cannot get - I burn down.

Short of a miraculous change of mind of the AngloZionist plutocracy, the bullets that killed Muzychko might well have been the (CIA's) match which will start a fire capable of burning down what is left of the Ukraine.

The Saker

44 comments:

jo6pac said...

The AngloZionist logic is simple: what I cannot get - I burn down.


Yep, like we had to destroy the village to save it. The main thing is there is No common sense in the Amerikan govt. This isn't going to end well.

Anonymous said...

OT

Collapsing Ukraine
http://rt.com/shows/crosstalk/collapsing-ukraine-russia-relations-161/

One of the comments:
yurlal 26.03.2014 16:55

That Andy Martin in "2000 run for president" He really made a fool of himself on this show. Being ignorant is typical for US politicians.

That's why it'd be worth repost the CrossTalk here - to show how typical American from US establishment is brainwashed by MSM. A lesson for itself!

Anonymous said...

Well, it depends to what the tactics the Right Sector and Banderovtsy have chosen.

They may wait until so called The National Guard is organized, trained and equipped then they might move them from control of state and turned against the present authorities.

Ukrainian Army is not comprised of fools and many regular units when put under sane command would be capable to fight against ragtag Fascist "army".

But to use the UA to bring back the state control over the country GRU and FSB should overcome CIA influence within the high ranks of the Ukrainian Army.

Anonymous said...

There are photos in the Ukrainian local press showing the dead body of Muzychko lying on his back with his shirt raised above his chest.

What jumps out about this picture is Muzychko's enormous belly protruding skyward... a little too skyward. Then one notices that you cannot see his lower arms or hands.

Where are they? Handcuffed behind his back? How redundant to handcuff him after he died.

One of the narratives of his death is that he was handcuffed, his shirt was raised to make sure he was not wearing a bullet proof vest, and he was shot in the heart twice. The picture supports that narrative as much as it supports any other.

Anonymous said...

Hello Saker,

I may be wrong, but the showdown about to happen is between two sides only - Tymoshenko on one side, Yarosh on the other. Other players have either retreated into the shadows (Kolomoiskiy, other oligarchs) or are too weak to participate and are choosing sides (Klichko, Yatsenyuk etc.). Tyagnybok, as far as I can tell, is Kolomoiskiy's guy, not an independent player.
When Yulka appeared at the Maidan, she sized up all those present and found them wanting. Some she found dangerous. Time wasn't right, so she waited and watched. In the meantime, she was bullying the gelatinous Ukie "elite" into submission (yes, even that phrase about turning Russia into ash... How can you stand up to Yulka when she has such powerful friends, hmm, you worthless worm?). And now she decided to start cleaning up the playing field.
As for the fact that the prize is a bankrupt and disintegrating country - well, it's the game that gives her the rush, the mangy prize can be sold to a pawn shop after she's done. Or even given to Putin. The only alpha male considered worthy of an alpha female such as she sees herself to be.

Terrible thing, a woman's vanity. Bloody terrible.

Cheers,

BOPOH.

Anonymous said...

A comment at b's place (moon of alabama) pointed me to look up the blond prosecutor. Another smart move, because U.S. Cable news will be in a quandary if it can't cover someone like her.

Mario Medjeral said...

Greetings from Singapore:
Excellent analysis on Ukraine possible future!.
My concern was the EU's follow up on Obama's constant threats/barking.
Noticed that the 'serious' media in the EU is cooling down their warmongering in the last days. Der Spiegel & FAZ reported on Timoschenko's phone conversation. FAZ even allowed ex chancellor Schmidt's to state that he had full understanding for Putin's 'annexation' of Crimea. Der Spiegel clearly states that the present Kiev government is risking civil war. Add to this that most EU politicians are aware that EU polls are clearly saying that an intervention in Ukraine has no backing, in spite of the initial warmongering of the media.
That is Germany. France: Le Monde put on his first page today "Pourquoi les economies de la Russie et de l'Europe sont dependantes". What is left? UK? Who actually takes the UK serious?
("Europe faces shooting conflict if Russia enters east Ukraine, says Hague =>The Guardian).
Based on above, curious to see how the EU is going to push sanctions phase II or III against Russia.

Anonymous said...

@ Who actually takes the UK serious?

UK is a "has been" powerhouse. It never fails to remind me of my neighbours chihuahua. Lots of barking and nothing to show for it.

The same applies to Canada's Stephen Harper. Another chihuahua. Can't shut up. As if anyone's listening. Unlike the UK, Canada isn't even a "has been". It's never been anything more than just a US beatch.

Paul Rigby said...

The CIA game plan appears to be the familiar one from Iraq, Libya et al: destroy any semblance of a central government & plunge the target country - in this instance, the rump Ukraine - into a superficially multi-faceted civil war (with Langley, via cut-outs and proxies, pulling the strings of all the competing factions).

The major difference here is the intention to compel the Russians to intervene to protect those in the south and east of the country for whom Moscow is the capital of choice.

Wikispooks said...

I've said this in comments to several earlier posts and I'll say it again here: The CIA-DOD gamed this entire developing scenario to destruction well before the violence began. They did so with the solid experience of the colour revolutions and 'Arab-Springs' under their belt. They have Russia firmly in their sights and, as always, humanitarian considerations apply ONLY in so far as they may be useful as propaganda tools to herd the western masses - otherwise they simply could not give a SHIT how many 'useless eaters' are killed - the more the better in fact. You yourself have stated cogently that US interests are well served by chaos in Ukraine and I fear that is EXACTLY what we are going to get. The objective is to goad Russia into taking military action in the East/South, at which point another massive western propaganda offensive will be launched and Professor Francis Boyles' scenario will kick in.

I devoutly hope I am wrong and that Russia can secure US-NATO cooperation to return Ukraine to at least a semblance of democratic legality with maybe autonomous status for the Russian-speaking regions. However, on the evidence of relentless orchestrated western mendacious bellicosity to date to date, I seriously doubt that will happen. The situation is becoming ever more ominous.

Anonymous said...

As a member of the feline community, it has always become obvious that the various factions making up the Banderistan Junta are bound to fight sooner or later: they have nothing in common but their enemies, and the remaining spoils are limited.

Mulga Mumblebrain said...

Putin had some innocent fun when he correctly criticised Obama over the 'Exceptionalism' garbage. He hit a nerve. however, as 'Hanoi' John McCain's deranged reply showed. The Anglo countries contain an element of lunatics who believe that it is they, not just the Jews, who are a 'Chosen People' under God divinely ordained to rule the Earth. I well remember skiving off school to eat exotic Indonesia food in an arcade where the restaurant was just across the corridor from the 'British-Israelite Society', loonies who saw the Anglos as the 'lost tribe of Israel'. Their radio shows were a hoot. The attitude seems to non-believers, rather bizarre, to begin with, but then becomes very sinister, when one considers the truly staggering history of Anglosphere destruction, and the recurring appetite for harming and the genocide of various Untermenschen. The influence of the Old Testament/Torah with its litany of divinely ordained genocides, and the open-ended divine decree to destroy 'Amalek' who can be anyone you like, eg Palestinians, Arabs, Moslems, Russkies etc, is particularly malign. While this impulse to murder and destruction is openly proclaimed by the Judaic fundamentalists in Israel, it seems to also influence the 'Christian' leaders of the West, particularly the USA, to a chilling degree. Ukraine is about to become 'collateral damage' to their unending divine mission.

Mulga Mumblebrain said...

Putin had some innocent fun when he correctly criticised Obama over the 'Exceptionalism' garbage. He hit a nerve. however, as 'Hanoi' John McCain's deranged reply showed. The Anglo countries contain an element of lunatics who believe that it is they, not just the Jews, who are a 'Chosen People' under God divinely ordained to rule the Earth. I well remember skiving off school to eat exotic Indonesia food in an arcade where the restaurant was just across the corridor from the 'British-Israelite Society', loonies who saw the Anglos as the 'lost tribe of Israel'. Their radio shows were a hoot. The attitude seems to non-believers, rather bizarre, to begin with, but then becomes very sinister, when one considers the truly staggering history of Anglosphere destruction, and the recurring appetite for harming and the genocide of various Untermenschen. The influence of the Old Testament/Torah with its litany of divinely ordained genocides, and the open-ended divine decree to destroy 'Amalek' who can be anyone you like, eg Palestinians, Arabs, Moslems, Russkies etc, is particularly malign. While this impulse to murder and destruction is openly proclaimed by the Judaic fundamentalists in Israel, it seems to also influence the 'Christian' leaders of the West, particularly the USA, to a chilling degree. Ukraine is about to become 'collateral damage' to their unending divine mission.

Petri Krohn said...

...the CIA station in Kiev who, according to many reports, is basically running the revolutionary government from the 4th floor of a building in central Kiev.

The building in central Kiev would naturally be Hotel Ukraine right next to Maidan. Incidentally, the 3rd floor is occupied by the NATO infowar office, the Ukraine Crisis Media Center. It would be logical to have the infowar operation right below the military operations.

The hotel was also the site of the Maiden snipers. I speculated earlier, that the hotel rooms used by the snipers were paid for with US Embassy and State Department credit cards!

Robert said...

Maybe the CIA has decided that some of these fascists have served their purpose and are now surplus to requirements, are becoming an embarrassment and need to be terminated.

Anonymous said...

The order to kill him apparently... ...the revolutionary government from the 4th floor of a building in central Kiev.

If somebody cared for the Ukraine, at least they would know where to start "solving" its problems.

mindfriedo

Robert Snefjella said...

If the CIA has played a significant part in the Ukrainian events, that may not auger well for even marginal common sense. The CIA's role can include injecting utter nonsense into operational planning - gaming - whatever: The Bay of Pigs was portrayed by a CIA as a slam dunk, with the Cuban people predicted to rise up en masse to support the invaders;

CIA guy Ralphe W. McGehee in the book Deadly Deceits: My 25 years in the CIA, recounts how hordes of policy analysts, etc, many CIA, could 'game' Vietnam based on basic premises as connected to reality as Rudolph the Red nosed reindeer's role in bringing presents; and the chronic infusion of Orwell's biggest lie of all, the [critical] missing information, enabled professional planners to come up with essentially insane conclusions and policies.

And was it actually the case, as often asserted, that the CIA were completely baffled by the sudden dismantling of the Berlin Wall?

In the book The Cult of Intelligence many paragraphs were censored, blacked out. One of the authors, Victor Marchetti, was asked about the nature of the censored material and replied to the effect that it was embarrassing stuff. Not 'national security' but CIA 'insecurity'. Mistakes. Stupidity.

Which is not to suggest that the CIA is not also capable of diabolical cunning. But one enduring myth is that behind the puppet there are 'brilliant minds' .... It ain't necessarily so.

Hunsdon said...

History may not repeat itself but it does rhyme. Mark Twain.

Paul Rigby said...

The Bay of Pigs was designed to fail: the real action during those late April days was in Paris and Algeria. The CIA's support for the Challe putsch is too often forgotten, but not quite as much, it seems, as the role it played in arming and funding good old Fidel.

Anonymous said...

Thoughtful write-up. I agree about zionazi-nazistan following a "if we cant own it, trash it" policy. They started that in the Korean war, where they tried to destroy anything standing in the North. Total scorched earth.

What is strange is that the western oligarchs didn't really attempt to colonise Afghanistan or Iraq or Libya, but from the outset were only interested in destroying these countries. It's a policy of denial to their rivals, of course. This is different from the attempts on Korea and Vietnam, where they initially tried to colonise these counties, and only switched to wreaking them once it became clear they could conquer and hold the territory.

This wrecking from the outset may be what they are after in the Ukraine, as a totally wrecked and anarchic Ukraine would suit western purposes to attack Russia covertly. They could use the country to infiltrate insurgents and terrorists (and Jewish mafia contraband) into Russia, like they do in Afghanistan against Central Asia and China.

On the other hand, it doesn't seem the the Israeli-Americans country wreckers have got all of the European oligarchs on their side, since some countries are still balking at increased sanctions against Russia (CZ and Latvia, no less), and are at least making an effort to cool things down. The opposite of Obama & the quisling hotheads. Could be good cop-bad cop tactics, could be a genuine disagreement among the western oligarchs. If the difference is genuine, we'll probably see some real rebellion against Israeli-American policy, rather than the mild criticism we are seeing now.

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Sky said...

And now this:

http://www.redressonline.com/2014/03/israeli-citizen-announces-bid-for-ukrainian-presidency/

What an absolute carnival of insanity this all is! I'd really appreciate hearing what everyone's thoughts are on this article- seems to me the author is making some pretty astute observations.

And, on the subject of oligarchs, have there been any more Khodorkovsky sightings in Kiev lately? He was mouthing off at Maidan a few weeks ago, as I recall. He must be fitting in with all this somehow.

Oligarchs using "neo Nazi" thugs as enforcers- there can't possibly be any genuine public support over there for this.

Mario Medjeral said...

Greetings from Singapore:
Somehow I have the feeling that the USA is trying to provoke Putin to enter east Ukraine. A trap, to trigger a confrontation. Putin is better off waiting and let Ukraine self destroy.

Anonymous said...

What about a possible fifth force in Ukraine: mercenaries paid for (ultimately) by the U.S.?

After that, all we'll need is a religious conflict and we'll have all the ingredients for another Thirty Years' War.

Anonymous said...

> the bullets that killed Muzychko might well have been the (CIA's) match which will start a fire capable of burning down what is left of the Ukraine.

The junta has to unite Ukraine, and they don't seem willing to. Whatever they do or don't do otherwise, will be a(nother) match. No need to kill Right Sector people, although it certainly helps a lot to kindle the fire. Btw what's the evidence it was a CIA order?

> The resulting "President" and government will have zero legitimacy.

What the government might be hoping for is to get to a state of affairs resembling Honduras after 2009, where there is something resembling a government, after something resembling free and fair elections, and something resembling a stable situation overall, notwithstanding the fact that the rate of journalists, union workers and other "vermin" murdered is the highest in the world.

Ukraine is different though, as their is a visible, ethnic/geographic/industrial divide. You can't easily do away with 8 million Russians...

I see 3 realistic scenarios going forward

1) some kind of "unity (interim) government", maybe even including Yanukovich, resulting in some kind of unity

2) a split of rump-Ukraine into pro-West and pro-East, the latter potentially joining Russia, with the inevitable collateral ethnic cleansing preceding and succeeding

3) civil war

The West will prevent 1), even if Yats came to his senses - in case those exist. He seems to be reneging on his silly "election campaign" promises. So there's hope. Who knows, politically, Yanukovich is dead anyway, so maybe the West will permit him to join, just to mollify the east.

2) will be prevented, in the short term at least, by a) the East being too weak and peaceful and b) Yats forcefully preventing it if necessary.

Remains 3), which will lead to Russia coming in to protect Russians, which will eventually lead to 2).

Honk

Anonymous said...

This is supposedly footage of the raid on the cafe where Muzychko was killed. It's not very clear, but there were sure a lot of people and vehicles coming and going. It was not a small operation.

Вбивство Олександра Музичко ( Відео з камер спостереження) (The murder of Alexander Muzychka (video from surveillance camera))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArdLaeEZSZ4

The poster of the video claims:

"Published on Mar 25, 2014

Those who believe that the hero shot himself: video surveillance cameras from the place of murder of Alexander Muzychka special "Falcon".

The video clearly shows how to cafe "Three carp" pidyizhdzhaye special unit for proper disposal Muzychko.

His "showered" on the ground. One can clearly see that Sasha White lying on the ground, and just physically can not shoot.
At the same time as one of the special unit has several shots.
The quality is not the best, but in the future we will try to put a video of the best quality."

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Anonymous said...

The goal is to take down Russia, and the Ukraine is simply collateral damage. What has happened to Syria would be great news for the US if it could also occur in the Ukraine.

Saying that Russia has a more moral position is obvious, but the Anglo-American Empire has to, at minimum, prevent Russia from becoming friendly to the EU. Ideally, Russia needs to be taken down for the count. So Russia will have a tough time not intervening.

Paul

Anonymous said...

Now that Tymoshenko's star has fallen, the Israeli-Americans-EU may have found a replacement:

Главный врач Майдана Богомолец будет баллотироваться в президенты (Chief physician Maidana Pilgrim would run for president)

http://lifenews.ru/news/130040

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Anonymous said...

The zionazis use a new tactic to discourage people from protesting against their bandera bitch coup:

Шахтеров Донбасса выгоняют с работы за участие в митингах за Россию (Donbas miners lost their job for taking part in demonstrations for Russia)

http://lifenews.ru/news/130041

Mine company tells workers if they go to demos, they lose their job. If they discuss the fate of the south east to other workers, they lose their job. The mine company employs roughly one fifth of the town.

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Christoph said...

Saker said:
"The AngloZionist logic is simple: what I cannot get - I burn down".

Thank you for summing up 200 years of Anglo American history in one sentence.

What's still missing today is an opium war. Maybe Ukraine will "legalize it" like the US does now and will serve as a hub to get the Russians addicted.

There are 3 benefits to drug wars:
1. weakening your strategic foe
2. killing religion (for the attempted extermination of Buddhism in China see here, German only, http://www.lochmann-verlag.com/buddhismusausrottung.pdf)
3. making billions (the Forbes, Perkins and a host of US east coast families made it thru dope running to China. Princeton University was founded with dope money).
Best
Christoph

Anonymous said...

Alas, all the signs are that Obama and his EU minions are just not going to accept anything short of a total victory - thereby securing their own total defeat, but at the cost of a complete destruction of rump-Ukraine and a horrible predicament for the people of the Ukraine. Just look at what these politicians did with Iraq or Libya! The AngloZionist logic is simple: what I cannot get - I burn down.


Did it ever occur to you that those might be successes?

Anonymous said...

I've just read a very funny joke on Dmitri Orlov's blog. Cut & paste:

Putin is watching TV. Calls up his Chief of Intelligence: “Give Tyagnibok a medal for banning the use of Russian in Ukraine. What do you mean he isn't one of ours? Ok, give Yarosh a medal for the idea of blowing up Ukrainian gas transit lines. What do you mean, that's his own doing? How about that cretin Lyashko? How about those cretins from Svoboda—Miroshnichenko and others? So, DO WE HAVE ANY AGENTS ON THE GROUND IN UKRAINE AT ALL?! Where the hell are they? What the hell do you mean they bought a dump-truck of pop-corn and a tanker truck beer and are watching it like a movie?!!!” Hangs up in disgust. Calls again: “How could you let Muzychko get killed?”

Anonymous said...


A former Russian special forces soldier published a post just few days ago, about his former colleague refusing a contract to assassinate Muzychko. Big people from Kiev were looking for a contract killer to take him out.

Muzychko's hands were tied behind his back when his body was found. There's more about it here.
http://molonlabe.livejournal.com/147203.html

Anonymous said...

Ukrainian TV showed CCT video of Interior Minister Arsen Avakov' deputy ( first Deputy Minister of Interior of Ukraine Evdokimov?) being assaulted and shot to death by 3 ultra-nationalists on the street. This was supposedly revenge for the Sashlo Bilyi hit.

Anonymous said...

4th June, 2007.


President putin is wrong when he says that russia should or will target the missile on europe if america goes with anti missile defence plan in Europe.
Russia must target (rather than should) the nuclear missiles with multiple war heads against all the cities, towns and big villages( including military instalations) of england because this cold war -like the one before- is being started by england for the benefit of english race only-.it is race war between the english parasite race versus the rest of the world-the sooner the rest of the world realizes that better it is for the world.
look how germany wes villified soon after fall of soviet union-look how russia is being vilified immediately after Putin made russia strong.
look how american has been isntagated for perpetaul awar by the british bastards. Aritish spy naill faergussan and huntingtosn go to usa and preach hatred and racial inflammmatory speech telling americans that the time for religious and civilization war has come-why do these english scumbags not figtht their war by thier own means rather than on shoulders of american arms?
thse same biriths bastrds talking of religious(chrisitan and muslim ) war propagandasie hispanics, iriash , ger,ams , french as not in american chritisan groups. they also do not think those white europeans to be thier kind wich desreves to be ion america-such is the evil propaganda of britihs spies inside america. .
poland is nothing but a proxy for the british bastards.
itis no use targetting poland -target the main villain which is england and the english nation which m ust be aniihilated fromt the face of the world.

Anonymous said...

only if Russia had helped iraqn ,syria and gaddafi ti time thenthe enmies would nto havce been koncking at russian gate.
2007
Does RUSSIA NOT REALIZE THAT IF EVER IRAN IS ATTACKED AND DEFEATED BY USA ATHEN RUSSIA WILL LOSE ALL STATUS AND PRESTIGE OF EVEN THIRD RATE PWOER INT HE WORLD AND THEN NO COUNTRY WILL BE WIILING TO BE ON SIDE OF RUSSIABECAUSE EVERYONE WANTS TO BE WITH A STRONG SCOUNTRY WHO CAN ORDER AND MANAGE THE AGENDA AS AMERICA IS TRYING TO DO AND THEN RUSSIA WILL BE =DESTROYED AS IS THE VERY INSTEDSION OF USA?
RUSSIA MUST NOT LET USA SCORE3 ANY MORE POINT ANYWHERE LET ALONE IN IRAN OTHERWISE RUSSIA IS FINISHED EVEN AS A COUNTRY .


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iran and russia.

If russia follishly stop busher plant work or does not support iran a=verses the west then russia will be doomed as well because then resurgent west ,which has ben ploting against russia too,will have ecicircled and weakned russia.and russia will have no friend to look to when it is under pressure from the west.
thertefore russia must support all the countries who have stod fagainst angloamerican evil -only by this method russia and other countries can maintain their indepdence.

Anonymous said...

Cartalucci has an interesting piece on the use of terrorists by the west in Yugoslavia, Libya and the Ukraine.

R2P: The Tables Turn on the West in Crimea

http://journal-neo.org/2014/03/27/r2p-the-tables-turn-on-the-west-in-crimea/

Anonymous said...

Also reports on Russian TV of US mercs (Akademi??) running around as body guards for oligarch governors. They run film showing what appeared to be US mercs on the edge of the crowd a couple weeks ago when Doneskt and Kharkiv were having massive anti-Maidan rallies.

Latest poll on UA TV last night showed the chocolate oligarch with 25% of the (non-eastern) vote, a the "others in the low teens...Tymo polled only 10%).
Also interviewed was the head of the special election who (may have a short life..politically as well as physically) who questioned how a vaild election could be held with 40% of the country abstaining (the east).

Nationalist said...

@Anonymous: "Also reports on Russian TV of US mercs (Akademi??) running around as body guards for oligarch governors."

Those aren't the only western-backed mercenaries. See if you can spot something unusual about these "European nationionalists":

Swede Patrols Ukraine’s Streets with Right-wing Paramilitaries

"Its members range from soldiers with combat experience from Afghanistan and Chechnya, to students and soccer hooligans."


"...he has spoken to two people who sniped at the police on the Maidan Square during the riots. “They used Saiga semi-automatic rifles equipped with telescopic sights, and were positioned on the third floor of the Trade Unions Building on Maidan Square,” Skillt said. ”Their mission was to take out Berkut’s snipers,” he added.

He also told us that he recently ran into a man in an American uniform, carrying an American-made rifle. “It was a bit odd, but it turned out he was Ukrainian,” Skillt said. “He had a modified, short-barrel M-16 with a telescopic sight. We said a quick hello.”

Anonymous said...

Nationalist...good spot!

Mulga Mumblebrain said...

Nationalist, it looks like Ukraine is being primed to become a redoubt and training ground for fascists across Europe. One needs to remember that whenever capitalism gets into trouble, the parasite elites unleash their fascist (corporatism plus state power, in Mussolini's definition)dogs. Ukraine and much of Europe are being immiserated by capitalist 'austerity', and when the people finally revolt, these butchers will be ready, to defend the elites in the name of 'nationalism', 'racial purity' etc. You can see, too, how it was Swedish fascists who shot Olof Palme, who was despised by the Reaganites.

Nationalist said...

@Mulga Mumblebrain: I am not averse to fascism and am generally supportive of European New Right political parties like BNP, FrontNational, Jobbik, LegaNord, VlaamsBelang, etc.

There seems to be a lot misinformation about fasicsm, but I can assure you most fascists are not so enthusiastic about global capitalism, multiculturalism, and the aasault on traditiona values being promoted by the west. Fascism is actually more a subordination of corporate power to that of the state than a merger of corporate power with the state. But I digress..

Anyway, YSK that there's a lot of back room dealing going around, a lot of confusion from its members, and a lot of suspicion about Right Sector leader Yarosh.

NATO has been funneling money to groups in the Ukraine that front as "neo-nazi" organizations in order to recruit runaways, street kids, soccer hooligans, and other young and directionless men and train them into paramilitary soldiers while lying to them and telling them its for their country. The swift and successful toppling of Yanukovich was not a sporadic protest that got out of hand, it was a well-planned military operation, have no question about it. As ZOG saw with Pussy Riot, the kind of wimpy left-wing cultural Marxist crap that they fund and support in the West against real nationalists has very limited appeal in Eastern Europe.

The Right Sector is a very strange and inconsistent group. One day they are saying they support "taking a course of European integration", then the next they are talking about how they don't like queers and feminism. They are nothing but tools in the globalist jew's agenda, whether they know it or not.

Have you seen Dmitri Yarosh's latest speech:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rx6vVTqtfQ

At 9:19 the issue of minorities is addressed, Yarosh doesn't think Jews are a danger at all. Clearly a change from what they would've said before maidan.

These are not you granparents' Nazis. Those Nazis did not like Jews and they hated banking oligarchs. These are new ZOG sponsored "Nazis" that mostly hate Russians or whomever their Jewish paymasters tell them to hate.

They're employed as some sort of auxiliary police force, along with those mercenaries, though unruliness might bring an end to that.

Nussiminen said...

The difference between fascism and bourgeois democracy used to be that whereas the former amounts to coercion accompanied by deception, it's the reverse which applies to the latter. From this viewpoint, Ukraine's coup d'état constitutes a most clarifying case study; even more so as it also shows why the above formula is in need of a reassessment.

The Ukro fascists' yearning for brutal, all-out terroristic violence against their tergeted enemies is something the fascist scum is being 100% honest about; no secret or deception to anybody. However, their alleged "patriotism" implies the utter trashing of the country all along the line, only for the benefit of the oligarchs and their foreign backers. In short: Coercion accompanied by deception.

Bourgeois democracy set the stage by the good offices of the West's NGO swamp and by the EU and the IMF blackmailing the Ukrainian government. Knowing the grip of their corporate propaganda (and the Ukros' own Eurocentric prejudices), the PR part promoting the putsch was easy. Hence, the imbecilic "popular" Maidan stunt rapidly deteriorating into full-blown counterrevolutionary mayhem which was the intended result. In short: Deception accompanied by coercion.

Now, given 30 odd years of neoliberal development of capitalism, bourgeois democracy and bourgeois legality have become threadbare, especially with the onset of the terminal, financial crisis. Parliamentary democracy has always been a con trick, sure, but nowadays the banks and the big corporations no longer pretend to be committed to it even the slightest. Just like in the 19th and early 20th centuries, spying, lawlessness, perpetual wars, and brutal austerity have become capitalism's UNIVERSAL norm. The conclusion, therefore, is that what passes for "bourgeois democracy" is becoming less and less distinguishable from fascism, thus rendering the former concept superfluous except for historians.

However, there is an interesting difference between Eastern Europe and the whole of West regarding the fascist rabble itself. In the West where centuries of genocidal, colonial plunder eventually allowed the capitalists to bribe the vast majority of their home populations -- thus preserving social peace -- today's Western fascists behave like madly jealous lovers. They note 100% correctly that their formerly deeply revered betters are treating them with ever more boldness, bluntness, and outright contempt. The typical Western petty bourgeois bigot, however, hasn't lost the deeply ingrained sense of all-out superiority and entitlement to other peoples' natural resources and labour output. And the repulsive habit of grovelling before the rich and powerful still runs way too deep to be dispensed with. Hence, Western fascists duly concentrate on issues such as immigration and multiculture, hoping that the bigotry of Western imperialism will come to their rescue if they simply become sufficiently bigoted themselves (it's not going to work; sorry dolts).

In Eastern Europe, the fascists are fuelled by the sense of having lost History's lottery. In their imagination, the West would have granted them Instant Heaven, but those bloody Russians forced the exact opposite on them. They are wilfully blind to the demise of the West, prefering to be proud bootlickers and slaves to it.

M said...

Nussiminem, an excellent exegesis. 'Scratch a Rightwinger and you will find a fascist', as me old Grandad used to say. Decades of near total global Rightwing dominance, particularly after Gorbachev's surrender to avoid nuclear war at the instigation of Reaganite Apocalypticists, has projected that Rightwing's psychopathology onto society. And that psychological and spiritual pathology is basically that of the psychopath. That was nowhere better articulated than by that flower of Judeo-Christian femininity and 'moral values', Madeleine Albright, observing that the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children under the deliberately genocidal sanctions imposed by the USA and UK (acting in the end for Israel)was a price that was 'worth it'. If you have tears to shed, read Felicity Arbuthnot's descriptions of some of these children, how they died, their suffering and that of their families and the loss of human potential involved. The most salient feature of the current upsurge of Western fascism led by the USA, UK and Israel is its sheer nihilistic brutality, the drive to destroy countries and leave them in ruins, a fate that I think is in stall for Ukraine, to become a sort of mega-Chechnya infecting Russia with its social, moral, economic and political decay.

Mulga Mumblebrain said...

Nussiminem, an excellent exegesis. 'Scratch a Rightwinger and you will find a fascist', as me old Grandad used to say. Decades of near total global Rightwing dominance, particularly after Gorbachev's surrender to avoid nuclear war at the instigation of Reaganite Apocalypticists, has projected that Rightwing's psychopathology onto society. And that psychological and spiritual pathology is basically that of the psychopath. That was nowhere better articulated than by that flower of Judeo-Christian femininity and 'moral values', Madeleine Albright, observing that the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children under the deliberately genocidal sanctions imposed by the USA and UK (acting in the end for Israel)was a price that was 'worth it'. If you have tears to shed, read Felicity Arbuthnot's descriptions of some of these children, how they died, their suffering and that of their families and the loss of human potential involved. The most salient feature of the current upsurge of Western fascism led by the USA, UK and Israel is its sheer nihilistic brutality, the drive to destroy countries and leave them in ruins, a fate that I think is in stall for Ukraine, to become a sort of mega-Chechnya infecting Russia with its social, moral, economic and political decay.